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	<title>Comments on: Using JPII to justify cohabitation</title>
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		<title>By: Roman Catholic by Choice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Archbishop Chaput on &#8220;nuptial cohabitation&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roman Catholic by Choice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Archbishop Chaput on &#8220;nuptial cohabitation&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I had previously posted on this topic - a column in American &#8220;Catholic&#8221; magazine about how the Church should accept shacking up.  After I posted on it (having seen it over at the Catholic Dads blog) the rest of the Catholic blogosphere picked up on it.  The Curt Jester has this response from Archbishop Chaput of Denver: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I had previously posted on this topic &#8211; a column in American &#8220;Catholic&#8221; magazine about how the Church should accept shacking up.  After I posted on it (having seen it over at the Catholic Dads blog) the rest of the Catholic blogosphere picked up on it.  The Curt Jester has this response from Archbishop Chaput of Denver: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Brindisi</title>
		<link>http://romancatholicbychoice.stblogs.com/2007/06/08/using-jpii-to-justify-cohabitation/comment-page-1/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Brindisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they have a touch of InfentigoLiberationus HalitosusTheologyamomgstus

http://goodjesuitbadjesuit.blogspot.com/2007/06/infentigoliberationus.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they have a touch of InfentigoLiberationus HalitosusTheologyamomgstus</p>
<p><a href="http://goodjesuitbadjesuit.blogspot.com/2007/06/infentigoliberationus.html" rel="nofollow">http://goodjesuitbadjesuit.blogspot.com/2007/06/infentigolib erationus.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mum2best7</title>
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		<dc:creator>mum2best7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how these &#039;theologians&#039; expect betrothed couples to deal with life. Let&#039;s see: we can&#039;t afford/handle marraige right now because of our jobs, housing, school. That means we can&#039;t handle raising kids in a stable 2 parent family since that means being prepared for sickness, disability etc. But lets ask the church to sanction our premarital sex, put all our energy there (instead of into improving our situation)so we can have fun with family and church approval. 

Of course when the real world hits the less committed of the 2 has an enormous temptation to bail out. How would that be less painful than divorce.

Pray, pray pray for everyone who read that article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how these &#8216;theologians&#8217; expect betrothed couples to deal with life. Let&#8217;s see: we can&#8217;t afford/handle marraige right now because of our jobs, housing, school. That means we can&#8217;t handle raising kids in a stable 2 parent family since that means being prepared for sickness, disability etc. But lets ask the church to sanction our premarital sex, put all our energy there (instead of into improving our situation)so we can have fun with family and church approval. </p>
<p>Of course when the real world hits the less committed of the 2 has an enormous temptation to bail out. How would that be less painful than divorce.</p>
<p>Pray, pray pray for everyone who read that article!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Traas</title>
		<link>http://romancatholicbychoice.stblogs.com/2007/06/08/using-jpii-to-justify-cohabitation/comment-page-1/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Traas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who is getting a formal Catholic betrothal next week, I&#039;d like to state that this is pure and utter rubbish! Betrothal does afford one different canonical status, and it is traditional that the couple may be more physically intimate (as in, prolonged kissing and the like), but sexual intercourse is out of the question!

Finally, this implies that a betrothed couple will use contraception, which is NEVER permissible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who is getting a formal Catholic betrothal next week, I&#8217;d like to state that this is pure and utter rubbish! Betrothal does afford one different canonical status, and it is traditional that the couple may be more physically intimate (as in, prolonged kissing and the like), but sexual intercourse is out of the question!</p>
<p>Finally, this implies that a betrothed couple will use contraception, which is NEVER permissible.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://romancatholicbychoice.stblogs.com/2007/06/08/using-jpii-to-justify-cohabitation/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After i read this article &amp; esp the bit about betrothal, I checked with a priest friend of mine to confirm something I suspected, the claim of the right to cohabitate &amp; have sexual intercourse was BS.  He confirmed what I suspected, that it was.  People who were betrothed did not live together. 

Rather than deal with the fact that cohabitation is sin, the people behind this idea are trying to paint a veneer of respectability on it.  

Their entire justification of what they are proposing doesn&#039;t use logic, it avoids not only logic but what the Church really teaches about premarital sex.

My biggest question is: &quot;What restrictions that preclude marriage don&#039;t preclude cohabitation? Esp since historically the betrothed couple couldn&#039;t break up without a divorce.&quot; (Something else you will notice that they conviniently ignored.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After i read this article &amp; esp the bit about betrothal, I checked with a priest friend of mine to confirm something I suspected, the claim of the right to cohabitate &amp; have sexual intercourse was BS.  He confirmed what I suspected, that it was.  People who were betrothed did not live together. </p>
<p>Rather than deal with the fact that cohabitation is sin, the people behind this idea are trying to paint a veneer of respectability on it.  </p>
<p>Their entire justification of what they are proposing doesn&#8217;t use logic, it avoids not only logic but what the Church really teaches about premarital sex.</p>
<p>My biggest question is: &#8220;What restrictions that preclude marriage don&#8217;t preclude cohabitation? Esp since historically the betrothed couple couldn&#8217;t break up without a divorce.&#8221; (Something else you will notice that they conviniently ignored.)</p>
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